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Onward to Youngstown??

Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:08 pm
by DanO
Several places I've read that AC&Y had plans to extend eastward into Youngstown, an idea that was considered as late as the 1940s, if I'm correct. Does anyone know what route It would have taken? Was there ever a preliminary survey? We've discussed this on Classic Trains forum's AC&Y thread. It was suggested that the original P&W (B&O) ROW (later used by the NOT&L interurbans) would have been utilized between Cuyahoga Falls and Newton Falls, but this was only conjecture. Anyone have any info on this?

Re: Onward to Youngstown??

Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2014 3:03 pm
by Luke
The Society actually has the proposed Youngstown extension right-of-way drawing. It measures about 20-25 feet when rolled out. I'm not familiar with the survey plan, but understand it roughly paralleled Route 224. Perhaps someone can add more context and detail on the exact route? The drawing was donated to the University of Akron Archive this January (2014) together with the bulk of the AC&Y-A&BB Archive. We will be working with UofA to enhance the collection and perhaps can support having this drawing made available online.

The proposed extension of the AC&Y to Youngstown (and/or New Castle, PA) dates to 1911. The July 3rd, 1911 Massillon Evening Independent reported the New York Central backed a plan whereby the AC&Y would be extended to Youngstown, thence combined with the Northern Ohio Rwy (then controlled by the NYC's Lake Erie and Western), thus completing a new East-West truck line. Some financing was arranged including a secondary $15,000,000 mortgage by the AC&Y.

The AC&Y resurrected the idea of extending the road from Mogadore to Youngstown about 1948. Ultimately, it was declared cost prohibitive and a risky investment given the highly competitive and volatile nature of the steel mill trade. The AC&Y did strike agreements with the Erie and B&O on joint routes via Akron (in connection with the NKP at Delphos and Bluffton) on steel traffic (mainly pipe) to western destinations. Bob

Re: Onward to Youngstown??

Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 12:09 pm
by West End
The map with the proposed route required some twists and turns and a pretty stuff grade to get out of the valley at Mogadore. After about the first 2 miles there was only one curve in the line out east of Edinburg if memory serves me correctly. The final destination on the map was Niles Junction with the PRR.

Re: Onward to Youngstown??

Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:31 pm
by DanO
Following 224 would make perfect sense. "Old 224" was hill and dale with a fair number of curves, but "new 224" was straight and level. If the line ran east of the W&LE/NKP out of Mogadore, the only encounter would be Pennsy's C&P and NYC's LEA&W (Would they be at grade?) It could then reach the PRR line NE out of Alliance and reach Nile Jct. via trackage rights.

My grand[parents owned the Suffield Inn at Rts 224 and 43. It would have an easy walk the the AC&Y tracks. Maybe it did in a parallel universe!

Next time I'm in Akron I'll visit you folks and pester you to see the ROW plan. Thanks for answering a question that's vexed me for many years.


Re: Onward to Youngstown??

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:06 pm
by Tom Davidson
When was Berlin reservoir formed? I'm guessing this route following present-day rt. 224 was surveyed at a time when the reservoir wasn't there. Crossing that area would have required significant fills and/or bridging after the water was impounded.